I love "out of the box" thinking. Don't use lacquer thinner. Write down the amount you add so when the viscosimeter reads correctly or the paint performs the way you want in the spray gun, you can thin future batches by the same amount. With all the reducers, and dryers that are in lacquer thinner you won't have to worry about it destroying anything. Yes you can thin enamel paints with lacquer thinner. Three full wet coats basically. It’s important that we use Tamiya’s brand of lacquer thinners as it’s specifically designed to be used on plastic models and the like, and will not eat the plastic away. I've never used laquer thinner anywhere near enamels since.. Just as a cleaner.. Not my experience nor several model car builders experience who post to you tube. The contents of your paint will define what type of thinner you will use. which i beleve gives you a smoother paint job. The main difference between thinners and reducers is in the paint type that is being applied. For acrylics I use denatured alcohol period. The fixes for each symptom are time-consuming and require you to use more paint to complete the job correctly. The aforementioned lacquer thinner works really well with MM enamels. My first experience with laquer thinner wasn't a good one.. Pour all of the paint from the can into a clean five-gallon bucket, and add a half-cup … If you want a universal thinner for both enamels and acrylics... try Lacquer Thinner. If the lacquer thinner contains either amyl, ethyl, or both, you can use them to thin out the gloss or sheen on surfaces. Reducers are used for urethane-based paints. The process of refining crude oil to produce gasoline, kerosene and other fuels also yields a number of other products, including solvents. The result is 6.4, so you should measure 6.4 liquid oz. Ross Martinek It's always best to use the correct and recommended additive and reducers with any paint products. Our community is FREE to join. Jasco. Plus the fact that I can get either locally. I have read on some other forums of cutting Tamiya acrylics with laquer thinner to shoot the paint easier and not allow the nozzle to dry up. Shop paint thinners and a variety of paint products online at Lowes.com. A Paasche H is capable enough but if you want really fine lines with a super atomized mist coming out you might want to look at something else. It sometimes works in very small quantities but it's in the acetone family and may not be compatible with the flavor of enamel you have. Of the three it’s also the most toxic, so make sure that you are in a well-ventilated area as well as using a mask when handling lacquer. It is a generic blend of solvents—anything from mostly alcohol (original lacquers were alcohol soluble) to a very esoteric blend. The latter are sometimes compatible with enamel systems, and are sometimes effective as universal cleaning agents. Turpentine also is generally more costly. That’s its own animal altogether. It gives you fast wet coat that doesn't sag or run very easy with a super shine and no orange peel. The only effect lacquer thinner would have on pigment dispersal would be a lowering of viscosity, like any other reducing solvent. If you’re not sure, and you need to know the difference between acetone and paint thinner for your specific applications, the chemists at Ecolink can help. Check paint container labels for the manufacturer's recommended paint to paint thinner ratio. Always test new thinners with different brands of paints just to make sure they work. And both thinner and reducer do the same job just as well. When speaking of lacquer thinner, is this the same as mineral spirits or is it something different? Old Hans is long gone from around here.A great and helpful contributer,he is missed.I think he is okay,I think I heard computer issues,I don't know if he posts anywhere else. Michael Carpenter has been writing blogs since 2007. Lacquer thinner can cause damage to plastic and rubber as well. Use small amounts of thinner at a time. I put laquer thinner into my pot of enamel, which was a VERY expensive enamel as well... Needless to say, it turned into cottage cheese almost immediately... By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. It can be anything and everything, as far as solvents are concerned. You will also need a few buckets large enough to hold the paint that you want to thin and a wooden stirring stick. Thanks for the replies guys. This was plenty of drying time. Turpentine is usually used to thin and to clean up enamel. If you have any questions, contact the manufacturer directly to verify whether the solvent and paint selected will work together properly before applying it to your automobile. The Paasche H and #3 needle are well suited to model car finishes though, I use one a lot for that or base coats, priming etc. Thin-X Latex Paint Thinner). Depending on what solvents are in your lacquer thinner, they may change the behavior of the binder, but that effect is as likely to be negative as it is positive. I've got both a hardware and a lumberyard that stock the thinner and an automotive supply store that carries the reducer - all within less than 5 minutes from my house. Each paint manufacturer uses its own terminology when it comes to solvents. I use it to wipe down the paint cup, needle and outside of my airbrush no matter what paint I'm using. The latter are sometimes compatible with enamel systems, and are sometimes effective as universal cleaning agents. I like a blend of lacquer thinner and mineral spirits for enamel on car bodies if to use solvent paints. However, you can thin many acrylics with Lacquer Thinner. It's smoother and a finer mist coming out. Just add water. Brian, I very seldom go in this direction but the guy at the paint store that tells you to put lacquer thinner in enamel is a MORON and should NOT be trusted with ANYTHING in the paint business. Often you come across great ideas on the forums. If your painting over dried enamel that was hardened with a paint hardened you will be ok. Which means SWMBO is happy and I've got more money to spend on kits & AM. But they come in opaque containers, so you cannot see this milkiness until you buy it. The calculations for measuring your thinner involve simple multiplication. It is a VERY good thinner for acrylics and I thin Tamiya paints wtih LT for airbrushing in particular. For cleaning brushes, paint thinner is best since it’s half the cost of mineral spirits and basically works the same. It is very important that the solvent selected matches with the manufacturer's recommendations for which solvents to use, including using the right proportions and taking into consideration various environmental situations, such as hot or humid weather. Secondly, can you use lacquer thinner on car paint? Link ... 128-fl oz Fast to Dissolve Lacquer Thinner. Find a Store Near Me. For Alclad paint, I use acetone. It doesn't do any harm to the enamel paint and you can buy it at Lowe's/Home Depot or pretty much any hardware store by the gallon. They have dissolved material which precipitates out and can mess up a paint job. Turpentine is not good as a cleaner, it remains sticky on the surface, mineral spirits works fine to clean surfaces. View our, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials, From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois. We sell industrial formulations of acetone and eco-friendly paint thinning agents, among solvents for many other specific or general uses. I did not have much hope for it but, gave it a try anyway. My first experience with laquer thinner wasn't a good one.. While the purpose of the two is basically the same, thinners and reducers are used on very different paints. The cleaner jar is always open and a drop or two with a pipette saves the day. Add more acetone or more Rust-Oleum to make the mixture thicker or thinner, measuring the amount you add. one can use Naptha to thin and speed up enamel drying time. Lacquer thinner can cause damage to plastic and rubber as well. Some symptoms that the solvent used was incorrectly matched to the paint include poor gloss and adhesion, dullness, chalking, cracks or splits, blisters, sanding swell, blushing or bleed-through of color. I've come across quite a few mentions of folks using lacquer thinner to thin enamel for spraying through an airbrush. Some lacquer thinners are sold specifically for clean up while others can be solely for thinning. You will need to choose the appropriate thinner or lacquer to mix with the type of auto paint you will be using. There are now some synthetic paint thinners out there that are lousy for thinning enamels. The SCA Multi-Purpose Thinner is suitable for thinning lacquer paints and primers as well as cleaning spray equipment and paint brushes. Closest hobby shop is a minimum of 1 hr round trip plus the cost of the gas. Well, although enamels do dry harder and, faster when cut with lacquer thinner,,,you still CANNOT lay lacquer over top of them. Find paint thinners at Lowe's today. Premium Enamel Thinner. It is therefore important to check that the product you are buying is made specifically for the purpose that you are going to use it with. For example, some European companies refer to reducers as thinners, which can be very confusing. To me it's more a matter of cost and convience. The future will soon be a thing of the past. Apply the thinner evenly across the surface, let it sit momentarily, then remove. This test will involve taking Tamiya acrylic paint and thinning one portion with Tamiya X20-A acryrlic thinners, and another portion of paint thinned with Tamiya lacquer thinners. No. If you want the utmost best results out of your paint, I’d recommend you go with the thinner that is made by, & recommended by the same company of the paint you use. Just FWIW. If you want to dilute a gallon of single-stage urethane paint by 5 percent then you'll need to multiply 0.05 by 128. Michael holds licenses in both real estate and life and health insurance. Based on manufacturer’s recommendations its good to avoid products such as lacquer thinner or mineral spirits for thinning – although you can use them for the quick clean-up. Although, I use the cheap stuff from Wal Mart (Kleen Strip brand). The two solvents are not interchangeable. To separate these out, refiners boil the crude and pass the vapors through distillation tubes in a procedure known as fractional distillation. From then on I stick to brand name thinners for the appropriate paint. I let my enamel that was thinned using lacquer thinner dry about 2 weeks. Lacquer thinner is intended to thin lacquers, which dry, rather than cure. Thinners and reducers in automotive paints are both solvents used to thin paint. Lacquer thinner in enamel is popular for painting model cars. Without this information in hand, any action you take would be like “an accident looking for a place to happen.” For example, as simple a thing as dabbing a little lacquer thinner on a towel and rubbing it on a spot could result in paint removal. Don Yost commercial builder and highly regarded contest builder also does it that way and with a Paasche H. Here's a video as to why if it will load, it's 10 minutes long:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCKZ_fo4eW0. The best way to remove the sheen is by putting the thinner into a spray device. It does make a great cleaner. The result speaks for itself. Did not like it. When thinning or cleaning tools covered in latex paint, you should instead use plain water or a specially-formulated latex-based paint thinner (e.g. The paint thinning process needs to be handled with care because oil, latex, lacquer and enamel based paints can require different paint thinners and treatment for optimum results. The finish was "different" and drying time doubled. In short it works and it doesn't do all the nasty things mentioned above in what ever post it was. Using one kind of thinner for a different purpose may cause the surface of your furniture to worsen. Test by using a less aggressive cleaning solvent that you know will not harm lacquer, enamel, clear-coats, plastic, rubber, or vinyl surfaces and see if it will remove the overspray. You NEVER put lacquer thinner in enamel. Using the wrong one could ruin your paint. Then again, sometimes you come across ideas that seem like they are more trouble than they are worth. For example, if the paint is an enamel-based product, do not use a thinner, but rather a reducer. There are some disadvantages to this (Possible damage to the paint itself, risk of crazing or melting the plastic with a heavy application and paint flash drying, leading to poor quality finish and adhesion). 10-30-2008, 01:38 PM #4 For example, 1 gallon of paint is 128 liquid oz. It is important to keep the amount of paint higher than the amount of paint thinner. Just remember he's hosing down a car body there. OOPS. Copyright 2020 Leaf Group Ltd. / Leaf Group Media. But that's not an expensive brush either. I used it also, without issue. Excellent video, quite a few who "espouse" the dearest internal mix airbushes, should  take a look at what can be achieved with just a very ordinary el-cheapo external mix airbrush. It also will clean such surfaces to remove any grease or grime. Item #622049. Color bleed is caused by solvents reacting with the undercoats, causing the undercoat color to show through the top finish. I can buy a gallon of lacquer thinner or automotive enamel reducer for a heck of a lot less than than I can buy the equivalent amount of OEM thinner at a hobby shop. i know this is an old thread, but I’m willing to bet you were using acrylic single-stage enamel. Now I use it primarily as an AB cleaner but every once in a while I'll find myself with one hand full and a sealed enamel thinner container while needing a drop or two of thinner for the AB. "Lacquer thinner" has no specific composition. I've never had any of the problems listed above. While the term mineral spirits could mean any of a number of materials, in a hardware store it usually means turpentine. But the question is why? 32-fl oz Slow to Dissolve Linseed Oil. The latter is often called mineral spirits. You also mentioned the drawbacks. Why do you do it? The two solvents are not interchangeable. It is very important that you follow the directions from the manufacturer exactly to get the best results. Several substances can be used to thin polyurethane including turpentine, mineral spirits, paint thinner or, in some cases, water. Thinners are for lacquer-based paints. Lacquer thinner is intended to thin lacquers, which dry, rather than cure. tis a crazy world out there. The main difference between thinners and reducers is in the paint type that is being applied. of thinner. It's adjustment range is much finer and over a broad range by comparison to the H. No, lacquer thinner is a stronger solvent. If the under paint isn't hardened it will lift and wrinkle. Model #GJLT130. Wash all paint residue out it with lacquer thinner and a rag once you get all the paint out of it, then let it air dry. like i said ive been useing it for close to 20 years most of my experiance is fromm working in a body shop. These items are sold at any hardware supply store. However, I once tried mineral spirits as a thinner. The only time that I mix the two is during clean-up by shooting laquer thinner through my AB. As thinners, mineral spirits will dry quicker. It dries several times faster than generic paint thinner or mineral spirits. I now only buy stuff that specifically says turpentine or mineral spirits. But they literally are not the same substance, people might think so but they aren't. With the Solvable Product Selector Tool, you’ll always find the right product solution for your thinning challenge. Right out of the gate turpentine is derived from pine resin ( and it smells it too) and mineral spirits from petroleum ( and it smells it, like kerosene actually). Crude is a mixture of hydrocarbon chains of various lengths and structures with unique boiling points. or so I am lead to believe...only ever used it with Wood stain, hehe, and I did not hold a stopwatch to it. Typically used with a good sized nozzle and fairly high pressure, you just keep blasting till done. Can't think of one. This will ensure no problems come from the paint, assuming you thin it to the manufactured specs. If you want to reduce drying times with enamels, try adding some Japan drier, available in most hardware stores. This thinner offers medium to fast drying time. So what this fella is saying, is you can achieve phenominal results, without having to spend heaps of dollars on an airbrush, that just aint worth all those dollars. Both can thin enamels such as alkyd enamels but not suggested for acrylic enamels. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. Today I laid out a coat of lacquer on it. 'Nuff said. What is the benefit of thinning with lacquer thinner instead of paint thinner, mineral spirits or whatever? It is a generic blend of solvents—anything from mostly alcohol (original lacquers were alcohol soluble) to a very esoteric blend. However, one or more solvents in many lacquer thinners is highly aggressive to styrene, and thus the paint is essentially melted into the plastic. Faster drying time? For example, if the paint is an enamel-based product, do not use a thinner, … A urethane reducer would probably be a bit risky, but I've done complete paint jobs and a ton of assorted parts with acrylic enamel using lacquer thinner as a reducer. I thought I was missing some secret or subtle advantage. If i where to guess it, its because the lacquer thinner breaks up the pigment better than the mineral spirets. You have to use proper acrylic enamel reducer for that. He is a mortgage specialist with over 12 years of experience as well as an expert in financing, credit, budgeting and real estate. Fill a spray bottle with paint thinner or lacquer. Reducers are used for urethane-based paints. Likewise, can you use acetone to thin polyurethane? These additives make the paint flow better so the result is even, professional coats. Ive been useing lacquer thinner to thin myy enamels for close to 20 years with out any issues what so ever. They have a milky appearance rather than water-clear. For example, if one or more of the solvents in the blend causes de-linking of the binder polymer, it will reduce viscosity, possibly produce a thinner coating, but the polymer may never fully cross-link, producing a more fragile coating. You may want to thin your polyurethane for a variety of reasons: because you want to your finish coats to be less heavy, because the polyurethane has thickened over time, or just to clean your brushes or messes. Lacquer paint requires a special kind of paint thinner aptly named lacquer thinner to make it even. Each brand of automotive paint will come with instructions on which solvent to use and what the mixing requirements are for the paint and solvent. Skip to main content. Other than the price, the differences between the two solvents are subtle: Both are petroleum products. For general purpose thinning, a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio of paint to thinner or similar ratio is appropriate. What are the advantages? He mentioned doing metalizer paints with the H and you can but I use a Badger 200 and fine needle personally and see a difference. Sorry but real turpentine and real mineral spirits are not the same. for pricing and availability. You can still get that with a single action brush or double but it's going to be internal mix most likely. It may contain mineral spirits (it usually doesn't) but it is not the same as mineral spirits. Example of Lacquer paint are Mr.Color and Modo paint. 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